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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"><big
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style="font-family: monospace; font-weight: bold;"><span
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style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">This is a debate that occurred on Arren's
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new router. Arren wanted to take over primary router</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">adminship. I thought she'd agreed to
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be an alternate router. This conflict played out as follows:<br>
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[2007.02.16-19.56] Arren@Anarres II <imud_gossip> Right now, it
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seems that a corollary of your intention is to have someone put a lot
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of work into something which simply competes with you. I've made it
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clear that I do not want to compete with you.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-19.57] Cratylus
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<intergossip> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-19.57] Cratylus
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<intergossip> what would i gain from that?</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-19.57] Cratylus
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<intergossip> oh i ge tit</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-19.57] Cratylus
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<intergossip> you fail i laugh</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-19.58] Cratylus
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<intergossip> dunno how i would convince you that's not in my
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interest</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-19.59] Cratylus
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<intergossip> only thing i can do is point to my history of not
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being that kind of guy</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-19.59] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> What kind of
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guy have you been, exactly?<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.00] Cratylus
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<intergossip> definitely an excellent driver</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.00] <imud_gossip> Mouse@Broken Empire snickers.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.00] Cratylus
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<intergossip> lookit, before i was router admin i was a regular
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ball breaking wise ass like everyone else on gjs</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.01] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i set up yatmim and it had a purpose and i
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protected it</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.01] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i dunno how that made me look like a bad guy</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.01] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Should have
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removed intergossip by default in your noob muds.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.01] Cratylus
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<intergossip> but i guess it did</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.01] Cratylus
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<intergossip> throughout, whether on gjs or yatmim, i have not
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been intentionally malicious</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.02] Cratylus
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<intergossip> no doubt i crossed a boundary here or there, but
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intentional hurtfulness is not my thing</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.02] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I don't think you're always aware of when you're
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being malicious.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.02] Cratylus
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<intergossip> even when duuk asked for unix help</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.02] Cratylus
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<intergossip> all i did was provide specific helpful information</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.02] Cratylus
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<intergossip> so, what kind of guy?</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.02] Cratylus
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<intergossip> pretty nice guy</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.03] Cratylus
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<intergossip> but somehow being router admin has made me seem
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like an evil overfiend, and since i'm just me, i have no idea how to
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combat that</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.04] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> My serious best suggestion is to turn off
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igossip by default on DS (I can't actually work out how to turn it on),
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and abdicate. If you don't want to do that, I don't mind, and I will
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gladly leave you with status quo.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.05] Cratylus
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<intergossip> how about this</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.05] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i block intergossip completely on yatmim</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.05] Cratylus
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<intergossip> all yatmim traffic has to come here</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.05] Cratylus
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<intergossip> all INTERGOSSIP</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.06] Cratylus
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<intergossip> all intergossip traffic has to come here</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.06] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Talk about
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over reaction.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.06] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm not acting</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.06] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm asking</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.06] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> That's why
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we think you're an asshole.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.06] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm suggesting</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.06] Cratylus
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<intergossip> this is a *sugestion* not a confrontation</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.06] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Because when
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we offer a solution that would make everyone happy, you threaten to
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take your toys and go home.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.06] Cratylus
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<intergossip> some people are able to think in terms other than
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"fuck you"</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.06] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I don't think that's the best way to achieve an
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objective. It's obstructive and malicious, and will do you far fewer
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favours than any other suggestion.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.07] Cratylus
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<intergossip> mmm</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.07] Cratylus
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<intergossip> let's suppose there's something worng with me</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.08] Cratylus
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<intergossip> assume i have a mental defect</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.08] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Blocking igossip on yatmim would certainly have
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the effect you intend, but you'd piss off more people, and I don't want
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you to do that.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.08] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and this defect prevents me from allowing
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hate-speech to happen on common channels on a router i run</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.08] Cratylus
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<intergossip> like, this defect makes me feel physically ill to
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imagine people associate me with that sort of thing</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.09] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> hmm<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.09] Cratylus
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<intergossip> so that whether ds muds per se are connected to it
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is not so much the point</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.09] Cratylus
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<intergossip> but that it happens on my watch in my house, is</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.09] Cratylus
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<intergossip> again</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.09] Cratylus
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<intergossip> defect</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.09] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> That's not a defect, it's a fair reaction. It
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makes you perhaps distant from the norm, but it's not a defect.
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However, this distance from the norm might make you a bad politician or
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ambassador.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.09] Cratylus
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<intergossip> this is a thought exercise</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.09] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> So make
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intergossip a "non public" channel<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.10] Cratylus
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<intergossip> that's what i'm proposing</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.10] Cratylus
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<intergossip> making ig on yatmim non public</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.10] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> All you need
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to do is remove the words "intergossip" from dead souls mudlib<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.10] Cratylus
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<intergossip> so that joe schmoe will come here instead</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.10] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Mouse, the question is, can one plan an orderly
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reorganisation without Cratylus pissing off any more people.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.10] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> No, you're
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not understanding.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.10] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Just remove
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intergossip from the DS lib.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.10] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Not from the
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router.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.10] Cratylus
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<intergossip> you have not been listening mouse</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.11] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> So your
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noobs won't ever know it exists.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.11] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Mouse, I think we're currently not in the realm
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of that solution.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.11] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Then a
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better solution would be for yatmim to cease function and pass
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everything to adsr<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.12] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i think an orderly migration can be done</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.12] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> the
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community isn't broken up and Crat doesn't have to be associated with
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anything he's unhappy about.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.12] Cratylus
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<intergossip> so long as theres no big rush</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.12] Cratylus
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<intergossip> whether people are mad at me is kind of irrelevant
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to me</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.12] Cratylus
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<intergossip> at this point it's the default</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.12] Cratylus
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<intergossip> so it's not worth trying to avoid</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.13] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> You say
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that, but then you whine about what people will think about you due to
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IG<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.13] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> It matters to me, and it's also fixable. I'd
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like to achieve both.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.13] Cratylus
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<intergossip> fine by me, either way</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.14] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Cratylus, it honestly sounds like the best
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solution to me. It removes you from the site of the problem. People
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have very short memories.</span><br style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.14] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> And it avoids fragmenting the network, something
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I am very keen to avoid.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.15] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Also, and
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don't take this the wrong way...<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.15] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Arren is
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probably better at network socket code.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> heh</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> ok</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> so the idea then is</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> intergossip moves to arrenrouter</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.15] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Arren I'm
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sure won't actually care about the DS/Dchat lines<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.16] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Um, no.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.16] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> yatmim
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closes.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.16] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> adsr handles
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everything.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.16] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and ds by default goes on yatmim</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.16] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Including
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your precious dead souls<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.16] Cratylus
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<intergossip> mouse you're just not being helpful</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.16] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Which will
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help everyone, and you get the benefits of the better maintained router<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.16] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Mouse is just disagreeing with you. That's not
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the same as "unhelpful".</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.17] Cratylus
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<intergossip> heh</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.17] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> In
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Crat-world it is.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.17] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Crat, listen.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.17] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Arren is
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better at network code.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.17] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> So you
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benefit.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.17] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> You don't
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have to seem like an asshat anymore.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.17] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> So you
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benefit<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.17] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Perhaps we can run this in reverse. What
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assertions or references from me would you accept in order to keep I3
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non-fragmented?</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.17] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Dead Souls
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still gets its nice, quiet place to hang out<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.18] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> and we cvan
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all get back the hatred filled crat we knew and loved from gks<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.18] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i understand what you are talking about. what i am
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telling you is that in my entire experience on line, relying on anyone
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else for anything is stupid</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.18] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i case about ds</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.18] Cratylus
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<intergossip> care</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.18] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i have to trust arren to let her do what you say</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.18] Cratylus
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<intergossip> this is the first time we ever talk about such a
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thing</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.18] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> We relied on
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Zakk for i3 for 12 years.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.19] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> It worked
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out ok.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.19] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Technically
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we relied on Rust. But he was imaginary.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.19] Cratylus
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<intergossip> mouse, then go back to gjs</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.19] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Now who's
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being unhelpful.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.19] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i think it's a valid point</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.19] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Cratylus, I have a professionally maintained
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server farm with hands and eyes. I have QoS and routing guarantees. I
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have nearly 20 years' unix experience and 15 years experience as a
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Linux administrator. I run a number of high profile networks and
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services for organisations of which you have heard and of which you may
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even be a member.</span><br style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.20] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I can provide references, probably from people
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you know; if not, at least from people you have heard of and respect.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.20] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i believe you. i look forward to working with you
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as a partner in a nified i3 network</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.20] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Here's the
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problem.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.20] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> i3 isn't
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exactly high tech.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.20] Cratylus
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<intergossip> if it doesnt work outm then i will carry on on my
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own as i have before</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.20] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> And I'd
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think anyone that spent more than a pittance of time making it so would
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be an idiot.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.21] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Arren is
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offering to make a stable network code that is pretty easy to run with
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minimal effort<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.21] Cratylus
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<intergossip> is that what she said?</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.21] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I'm not trying to touch the dead souls project.
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I think you do good work there. I think you do less good work with I3,
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and I think I3 should not be a fragmented network.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.21] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> You'll
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ALWAYS have the ability to update your network page and switch back to
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yatmim if you want.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.21] Cratylus
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<intergossip> ok hang on</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.22] Cratylus
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<intergossip> do you understand that i've worked essentially a
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part time job on ds for the past 2 years?</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.22] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> And no one
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will change that<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.22] Cratylus
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<intergossip> this is not a 5 minutes once a week thing</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.22] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I do. Nobody wants to take that away from you.
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Least of all me, I couldn't do what you do.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.22] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Arren is
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just offering to host the i3 network and remove that from your list of
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problems.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.22] Cratylus
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<intergossip> my fucking blood, thin as it may be, is in it</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.22] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Dead Souls
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will stay as you<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.23] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and i hav eonly just started talking to arren about
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a partnership of *any* kind</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.23] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and any time i trusted someone else to do anything
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i counted on i have had my ass invaded</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.23] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Which speaks
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more to your insecurity than anything else.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.24] Cratylus
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<intergossip> so you can understand, i hope, why i'm not handing
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over every last scintilla to arren in this first conversation</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.24] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> I honestly
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wonder if english is your primary language sometimes.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.25] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> DS = Crat<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.25] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> I3 = Arren<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.25] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Everyone ==
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Happy.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.25] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Cratylus, I have offered you references and
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history. I am not asking for DS, nor to change what you're doing to it.
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I'm actually offering to help you with the DS project, but I'm also
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trying to give I3 a stable and unfragmented basis.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.26] Cratylus
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<intergossip> ok</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.26] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm with you on that, which is why i keep harping
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on thtis inter router thing</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.26] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i know nobody is grubbing at ds</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.26] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Here's my
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problem with "interrouter"<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.26] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Mouse, I can do inter-router. Relax.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.26] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> I'm not
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gonna update my i3 daemon because well, i3 isn't that important.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.27] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> But I can't do it immediately. I work 14 hour
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days. I'm 3 days off inter-router.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.27] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i dont think there's a big hurry, is there?</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.27] Cratylus
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<intergossip> we'll get there</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.27] Cratylus
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<intergossip> we dont have to walk from this conversation with
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everything fixed</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.30] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Cratylus, what would assure you that I could run
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I3 in such a way as to satisfy you?</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> mmmmm</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> well</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i know you're well capable of it</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> that's not in question</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i've just never relied on you for anything</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and that is hard to get over</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.31] Cratylus
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<intergossip> which is why</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.31] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i figure</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.31] Cratylus
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<intergossip> if you run ig and and are invested in it</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.31] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Until you do, you never will have. But many
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others have, and this is why I provide references. I'm flattered that
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you don't question my ability, even before really interacting with any
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of my work.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.32] Cratylus
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<intergossip> no fense, but it isn't rocket science, and you seem
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quite capable code wise, so it just makes sense</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.32] Cratylus
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<intergossip> what i'm not understanding is</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.32] Cratylus
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<intergossip> what is so objectionable about having intergossip
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move to asdf</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.32] Cratylus
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<intergossip> while ds muds stay on yatmim</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.33] Cratylus
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<intergossip> not trying to be argumentative</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.33] Cratylus
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<intergossip> just not quite gettin git</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.33] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> because
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then, in effect, there becomes 2 i3 networks<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.33] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> and
|
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splitting the crowd is bad<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.33] Cratylus
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<intergossip> until the Grand Unification</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.33] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> which will
|
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never happen<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.34] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Trust Uncle
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|
Duukie<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.34] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> It fragments the network. It means that neither
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router is likely to maintain critical mass for a community, and the way
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I3 has been hemorrhaging MUDs recently, that's a serious problem.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.34] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> it'll always
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get pushed off one more month<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.34] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I have two objectives: First, build a community.
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Second, keep that community happy. Nonfragmentation is required.</span><br
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style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.35] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I've done this before, it's what I do for a job.
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It's what I do for a hobby.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.38] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm only human. i need time to digest new ideas
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that involve changing the way i look at things.</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.39] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i will think about what you've said</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.39] Cratylus
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<intergossip> by the same token</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.39] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i believe my proposition is a reasonable one</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.39] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and i hope you do the same</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.40] Reflection@My Nuts In Your Mouth!
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<imud_gossip> Test<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.40] Cratylus
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<intergossip> howdy</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.41] Reflection@My Nuts In Your Mouth!
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<imud_gossip> wich router am I connected to correctly? =)<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.41] Cratylus
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<intergossip> arren</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.41] Reflection@My Nuts In Your Mouth!
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<imud_gossip> ok =) well, works. very nice<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.41] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I have argued against your proposal. I build
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communities. I do not break them. I will not break this one.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.42] Reflection@My Nuts In Your Mouth!
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<imud_gossip> for some reason I couldn't get the sorrows to send
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it's startup request correctly, tho it worked fine with gjs<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.44] Reflection@My Nuts In Your Mouth!
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<imud_gossip> so whats the argument, to attempt to keep both
|
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routers in play instead of individual groups moving to one or the other?<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.44] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I'm trying to help you not to break it either,
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and to convince you that other than the personal hurdle, you have
|
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nothing to lose by passing I3 to adsr.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.45] Reflection@My Nuts In Your Mouth!
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<imud_gossip> ahhh. nm. makes sense now<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.45] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> You tell me what you want for DS muds, I will
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provide it.</span><br style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.46] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> All that remains is the personal hurdle, and
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still you lose nothing. DS is a good project.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.46] Reflection@My Nuts In Your Mouth!
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<imud_gossip> back shortly, forgot I named thism ud so horribly
|
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for fun awhile ago<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.46] Cratylus
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<intergossip> listen</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.47] Cratylus
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<intergossip> my promise to you was adding this router to the
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intermud page i run. we went from that to me making everyone move to
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your new router</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.47] Cratylus
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<intergossip> let's let it cool for a bit while i think about it</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.48] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Please don't leave it too long, otherwise the
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time will break the community anyway.</span><br
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style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.48] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> The current situation is the one I'm trying to
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avoid.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.49] Cratylus
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<intergossip> it's held for half a year. waht's the rush?</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.49] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> The current situation is two independent routers.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.49] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> To be
|
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frank...<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.49] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> the rush is
|
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that you've become quite an issue of late<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.49] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> You're ok
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when you're sober.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.50] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> but when
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you're drunk you tend to cause many muds to consider permanently
|
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leaving the network.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.50] Cratylus
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<intergossip> mouse i think you should speak for yourself</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.51] Cratylus
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<intergossip> if anything your argument favors multiple networks</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.51] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> I think you
|
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should understand that we like you.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.51] Cratylus
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<intergossip> let the chicps fall where they may</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.51] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> But we hate
|
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the fact that you become "OMG ITS MINE" when you drink.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.52] Cratylus
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<intergossip> have you noticed that it's when people pick on me
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that i become combtive</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.52] Cratylus
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<intergossip> or when people break rules that i enforce them?</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.52] Cratylus
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<intergossip> maybe it's you that needs to work things out</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.54] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> This is off the point. The point is to establish
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a sane and consensual basis for I3 which does not fragment the network.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.54] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i though mouse was just being helpful</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.54] Cratylus
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<intergossip> arren i agree with you</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.54] Cratylus
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<intergossip> that's something we've agreed on from the start</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.55] Cratylus
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<intergossip> you appear to want an immedate answer to a request
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to change the way i look at things right this minute</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.55] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm sorry but i am not yet godhead</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.55] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm going to need to think about it</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.56] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Well then<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.56] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Remember that nothing is being taken from you.
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This is just an experienced network administrator offering to
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administrate a network service.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.56] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Please list
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Arren's router as an alternate on your precious website.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.56] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> While you
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think.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.56] Cratylus
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<intergossip> that was my question actually</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.56] Cratylus
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<intergossip> when this thing started it wasnt all that clear i
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should do that</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.57] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and so i asked the question as to whether i should
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list it</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.57] Cratylus
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<intergossip> should i do so?</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.57] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> I would, yes.<br>
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[2007.02.16-20.57] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Until this
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all gets sorted out.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-20.57] Cratylus
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<intergossip> yeah i caught that</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-20.58] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> What is your plan for the future? To persist in
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splitting the network? To delay making a decision on the issue? To
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resign to a situation de-facto?</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-20.59] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Obviously i3
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is going to split into 2 factions.<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.00] Reflection@Mirror Ring <imud_gossip> it's not
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the first time<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.00] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm happy either way, though unification is my
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preference. i've said it before. i dunno how many times i must repeat
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it to arren's satisfaction</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.00] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm starting to feel like i'm not being listened to</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.00] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Well, I would love for a single router to come
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under the banner, diplomacy and publicity of the DS project.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.00] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> thats cause
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you or sort of contradicting yourself<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.01] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> are*<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.01] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i like vanilla and ilike pistachio, but i prefer
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pistachio</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.01] Cratylus
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<intergossip> either way, ice cream</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.01] Cratylus
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<intergossip> perhaps those are terms you can understand, tats</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.01] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> There are more ice cream consumers than there
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are MUDs, therefore the manufacturers can afford to make two flavours.</span><br
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style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.01] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> We do not have that luxury.</span><br
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style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.01] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> We are down to 21 active MUDs from 90, and we
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have lost entire sub-communities.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.02] Reflection@Mirror Ring <imud_gossip> I'll be
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happy with coffeepot back online and in reach, it's the best channel on
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any router!<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.02] Cratylus
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<intergossip> do you think that saying the same things over and
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over will make me answer you to your satisfaction?</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.03] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> CP is down because of Earth, but I can put
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Amethyst on bofh, Amethyst is much more powerful than CP.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.03] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i dunno what cp is</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.03] Cratylus
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<intergossip> a channel i suppose</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.03] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> An AI.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.03] Reflection@Mirror Ring <imud_gossip> on a
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serious note, there are many muds that do not even know about the new
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router/routers, wouldn't a campaigne for awareness be a good start...
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once you've decided on whose running what I mean<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.03]
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<imud_gossip> Arren@Anarres II nods.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.04] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i think this raises a fair point</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.04] Cratylus
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<intergossip> which is the same problem i3 had before i showed</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.04] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I've reached out to some of the admins of those
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muds and communities recently, since I remained in contact with many of
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them. I will do so again when this gets resolved.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.04] Cratylus
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<intergossip> "single point of failure"</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.04] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Arren, I'd
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suggest you reinvite them to adsr<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.04] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and this is why you're not getting any kind of
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commitment from me</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.05] Cratylus
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<intergossip> the last time i was ok with an spf beyond my direct
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control, it died</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.05] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Cratylus, the Anarres network has 24x7
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monitoring, support and hands-and-eyes.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.05] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> yeah, but
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they never did anything to prevent that, arren wouldnt let it just die
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out<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.05] Cratylus
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<intergossip> ok, you say so, and it's probably true</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.06] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> We have a pager network with an ops team of two
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always on call.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.06] Cratylus
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<intergossip> but it's still a problem</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.06] Cratylus
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<intergossip> heh</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.06] Cratylus
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<intergossip> that's not the point</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.06] Arren@Anarres
|
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II <imud_gossip> It rather is the point, this is nearly telecomms
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grade.</span><br style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.06] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> These are professional engineers, not casual
|
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coders.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.06] Reflection@Mirror Ring <imud_gossip> perhaps
|
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Arren could name 1-2 benefactors, for whom should anything happen to
|
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his person, would have access to said router source? wich nothing
|
|
short of death will cause him to cease his maintenance, I know Arren
|
|
well enough. He's solidly deddicated to tasks to the point, he
|
|
goes down with a simnking ship' it's what we love about him<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.06] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Crat, your
|
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objection seems to be network stability.<br>
|
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[2007.02.16-21.06] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Arren offers
|
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that in spades.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.07] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i dont think it is. what you are talking about is
|
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"fuck the inter router network, i want a single router"</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.07] Arren@Anarres
|
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II <imud_gossip> When I go on holiday, there is an entire ops
|
|
team to manage the systems, and whom you can contact for maintenance
|
|
and administration.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.07] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i think this is a paradigm which has proven to be a
|
|
failure</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.07] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> i think
|
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crats objection is, i wont be god anymore<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.07] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Right now we don't have an inter-router network.
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When we have, you will be the first invitee, Cratylus. I will also
|
|
offer to code it.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.07] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Crat... so 1
|
|
router is ok if you run it. But 1 router is a failure of design
|
|
in Arren runs it?<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.07] Arren@Anarres
|
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II <imud_gossip> Do you want it to be your failure, or the
|
|
failure of a professional team of telecomms engineers?</span><br>
|
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.07] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> why dont we just code it now?</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.08] Arren@Anarres
|
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II <imud_gossip> Because I started at 10am today, it's now 3am,
|
|
and it's been a long time since I've had a day off.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.08] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> ok we can start tomorrow</span><br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.08] Arren@Anarres
|
|
II <imud_gossip> Tomorrow was going to be my day off.</span><br>
|
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.08] Cratylus
|
|
<intergossip> then the day after</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.09] Arren@Anarres
|
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II <imud_gossip> Have you ever written a fault tolerant network
|
|
system?</span><br>
|
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[2007.02.16-21.09] Reflection@Mirror Ring <imud_gossip> Arren is
|
|
the most stable and reliable force on i3 this day. I'd hate to
|
|
see i3 split, but I will take sides if it has to be so. =(<br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.09] Cratylus
|
|
<intergossip> it's been half a year since gjs died. nobody is
|
|
going to cease living</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
|
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.09] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> well if people go to arrens router, then fine</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.09] Cratylus
|
|
<intergossip> i'll put a mud of my own on there as well</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.09] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> that's not the point</span><br>
|
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.10] Arren@Anarres
|
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II <imud_gossip> Let me write the inter-router code. I have
|
|
experience of design and implementation of truly fault tolerant systems.</span><br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.10] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> making the ds people move there is not something
|
|
i'm going to undertake lightly</span><br>
|
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[2007.02.16-21.10] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> haha, that
|
|
sounded like my six, even my two year old "then fine!"<br>
|
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.10] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> afaict this is now a game of make cratylus do it
|
|
right this minute</span><br>
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|
[2007.02.16-21.10] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Crat, we're
|
|
trying hard to include you and the DS people<br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.10] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> and i'm not seeing the reason for it</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.11] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> so it's just making me more skeptical</span><br>
|
|
[2007.02.16-21.11] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> No, this is
|
|
a game of "Make Crat admit he's just going to tell all of us to fuck
|
|
off anyway"<br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.11] Arren@Anarres
|
|
II <imud_gossip> The reason is that your delaying, combined with
|
|
the publicity of the DS project, is what will cause a fragmentation of
|
|
the network.</span><br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.11] Cratylus
|
|
<intergossip> tonight?</span><br>
|
|
[2007.02.16-21.11] Reflection@Mirror Ring <imud_gossip> Ok, so
|
|
the favoritism of 'your' mudlib, over all others, over an entire
|
|
community wins out. I thought all this time i3 was a 'mud
|
|
community' not a nazi gathering of specific share holders on an
|
|
individualist plan of mudworld domination ='(<br>
|
|
[2007.02.16-21.11] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Crat, but
|
|
not accepting the idea here, we all know what is about to happen<br>
|
|
[2007.02.16-21.11] Reflection@Mirror Ring <imud_gossip> afk smoke
|
|
=(<br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.11] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> well no actually</span><br>
|
|
[2007.02.16-21.11] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Arren's
|
|
router will become the new community, but you'll keep your DS people on
|
|
yatmim<br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.12] Cratylus
|
|
<intergossip> tell me what's going to happen</span><br
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|
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
|
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.12] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> ok</span><br>
|
|
[2007.02.16-21.12] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> And you'll
|
|
never migrate them.<br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.12] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> and when theres an intermud route rnetwork
|
|
everybody will be on it</span><br>
|
|
[2007.02.16-21.12] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> And that's
|
|
not good for the overall community either since it brings in no new
|
|
blood<br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.12] Arren@Anarres
|
|
II <imud_gossip> Mouse: Then the publicity hits yatmim, since
|
|
that's the router under the DS banner, and the network fragments.</span><br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.12] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> and it will be transpartent</span><br>
|
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[2007.02.16-21.12] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Crat...
|
|
that's pointless though.<br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.12] Cratylus
|
|
<intergossip> i'm missing something here</span><br
|
|
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
|
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.12] Cratylus
|
|
<intergossip> i'm not getting something</span><br
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|
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
|
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.12] Cratylus
|
|
<intergossip> someone please explain it</span><br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.13] Arren@Anarres
|
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II <imud_gossip> Mouse was devil's advocate for a minute, and
|
|
perhaps you missed it.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.13] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> cuz yall are hollering for no urgent reason</span><br>
|
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[2007.02.16-21.13] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> inter-router
|
|
support is a whole lot of code work for a very minor result<br>
|
|
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.13] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> i disagree</span><br
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|
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.13] Cratylus
|
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<intergossip> it is the core of the future</span><br>
|
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[2007.02.16-21.13] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> mouse, its
|
|
no use, he cant let go of his control over it, thats why hes insisting
|
|
on interrouter, so he still can play god<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.13] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> when a
|
|
VASTLY easier solution is, "let the network admin run the network"<br>
|
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.13] Cratylus
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<intergossip> a decentralized inter router network fixes
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everything</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.13] Cratylus
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<intergossip> that is what im arguing for</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.14] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> for a lot
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more effort<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.14] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> effort that
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can be avoided<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.14] Cratylus
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<intergossip> like you'd lose a drop of sweat, tats</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.14] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> We haven't got one right now. We aren't going to
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have one right now. Choose your next best solution please.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.14] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Ok, let me
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put this another way...<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.14] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Can you code
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an inter router network?<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.14] Cratylus
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<intergossip> yes</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.14] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Because I
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can't.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.14] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i can</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.14] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Then why
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haven't you?<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.14] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'd rather have arren help</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.14] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> no, i
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wouldnt, but im also friends with arren and why would i want her to
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spend hours upon hours o coding something that wasnt needed<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.15] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Cratylus, I can code IRN solo in under a day,
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AND have all kinds of fault tolerance built in that you've never even
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heard of.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> great</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> let's do it</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.15] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> But I'm not going to do it today.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> fine</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> it can way a few moons</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> wait</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.15] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> But I will commit to give you full access to the
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codebase so when it does come out, you can run it.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.15] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'm not grokking the need for an immediate fix
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before bedtime</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.16] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> In the meantime, please, don't fragment the
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network.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.16] Cratylus
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<intergossip> ok</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.16] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Please, make a decision.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.16] Cratylus
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<intergossip> fine, "no"</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.16] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Ok.
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Then get lost.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.16] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Not for action right this minute, but a decision.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.16] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Sorry to put
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it that way.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.16] Cratylus
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<intergossip> the decision is, lets do an IRN, and the problem
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disappears</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.16] Cratylus
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<intergossip> it'll be done by march</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.17] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and then everyone is happy</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.17] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and the question of a primary router is moot</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.17] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> ...assuming
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Arren gets a whole day to work on i3 this month.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.17] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Cratylus, I've spent nearly 3 hours discussing
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this with you for the basic reason of trying to do you a favour.</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.17] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> You get shit off I3. I'm trying to remove that
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shit and let everyone forget it while actually providing a better
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service than you do.</span><br style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.17] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> That's it.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.17] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and i thank you for it</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.18] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and it's gonna be great</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.18] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i think this is the start of a beautiful partnership</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.18] Cratylus
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<intergossip> if you could only learn to cool your fucking jets</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.18] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> It is no kind of partnership while you us
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phrases like "no"</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.18] Cratylus
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<intergossip> you'll forgive me for giving you the answer you
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dont want while you put the screws on</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.18] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Arren, let
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it go.<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.19] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Crat's going
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to keep the DS people on yatmim.<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.19] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> End of story.<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.19] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Let's work
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on getting the non-Crat people onto this router.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.19] Cratylus
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<intergossip> mouse i think you missed the point</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.19] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Do you think we can hold the community?</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.19] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Tits, wake
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Corvie up.<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.19] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> I do, Arren.<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.19] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> hes not here
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hun<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.19] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> prolly
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sleeping, he had dinner with the gf tonight<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.20] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I can run the network, because it's me plus ops.
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I can't get ops to do team management or anything, so I have to rely on
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you gyus.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.20] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> I think the
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core people will come. I think that Coffee has an intermud daemon
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built in that hasn't been updated since gjs<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.20] Cratylus
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<intergossip> they connect to yatmim now</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.20] Cratylus
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<intergossip> but you might be able to get zac to change it</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.20] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> There are a few other communities I wont'
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mention immediately, but that we can work with, which might restore a
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few more groups.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.21] Cratylus
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<intergossip> heh</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.21] Reflection@Mirror Ring <imud_gossip> Arren, do
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you have plans of releaseing a form of your mudlib to the public?
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That would possibly also help usher in new people as well, I can do
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some free campaigning here and there, get a little more backing and
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some fresh blood possibly =)<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.21] Cratylus
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<intergossip> so much for non-fragmentation being your goal</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.21] Cratylus
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<intergossip> anyway, back to my question</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.21] Cratylus
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<intergossip> do i list asdf?</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.21] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> Crat, you're
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not getting it.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.21] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I didn't play hard-ball. You did.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.21] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> We wanted to
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include you.<br>
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[2007.02.16-21.21] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> You decided
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that was never going to happen until inter router.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.21] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Yes, please list it.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.21] Mouse@Broken Empire <imud_gossip> So you're
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the one seperated the community.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.21] Cratylus
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<intergossip> whatever guys, you're right, it had to be decided
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right this second</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.22] Cratylus
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<intergossip> do i list asdf?</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.22] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Yes, please list adsr.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.22] Cratylus
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<intergossip> k</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.22] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> A decision now does not imply action now.</span><br
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style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.22] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Remember Kyoto.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.23] Duuk@Haven <imud_gossip> Better<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.26] Cratylus
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<intergossip> there you go http://lpmuds.net/intermud.html</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.26] Cratylus
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<intergossip> http://lpmuds.net/forum/ is a good place to announce</span><br
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style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.27] Cratylus
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<intergossip> but there are many others, including
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http://lpmuds.net/links.html</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.27]
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<imud_gossip> Arren@Anarres II looks confused. Now there are
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three routers.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.27] Cratylus
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<intergossip> well yes</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.27] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> Cratylus, it sounds very much as if you want to
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compete, rather than cooperate.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.27] Cratylus
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<intergossip> that is what i promised to do</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.27] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'd list you on the intermud page</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.28] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i dunno if i can clarify my position any better by
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comtinuing to repeat it</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.28] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i'll leave it to your chan history</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.29] Duuk@Haven <imud_gossip> You know I've been
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picturing you sitting at your desk saying, "My precious..." for like 2
|
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hours now, right?<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.29] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> We understand your position, we disagree with
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it, we're attempting to persuade you otherwise. You have rejected every
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offer which carries consensus or reduces your absolute authority.</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.29] Tatianna@Anarres II <imud_gossip> i can
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clarify it for you<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.29] Cratylus
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<intergossip> no i haven't</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.29] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i have simply asked for time to think about it</span><br>
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[2007.02.16-21.29] Duuk@Haven <imud_gossip> Yes. You have.<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.29] Cratylus
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<intergossip> which i think is reasonable and proper</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.29] Cratylus
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<intergossip> and when forced, my answer is "no"</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> which again</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> i think is entirely reasonable</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.30] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> I think thinking time is quite reasonable,
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bearing in mind that the network is now fragmented, and the decision
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from Cratylus is the only thing that will bring it back together.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> since you're insisting on immediate change of my
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view</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">[2007.02.16-21.30] Arren@Anarres
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II <imud_gossip> So please do think about it.</span><br>
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">[2007.02.16-21.30] Cratylus
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<intergossip> k</span><br>
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